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Vonleh Going Pro

Posted: 3/23/2014 11:11 PM

Vonleh Going Pro 


Not a surprise...could be a rough year for Crean and IU though.
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Posted: 3/23/2014 11:57 PM

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MuggsyB wrote: Not a surprise...could be a rough year for Crean and IU though.
I'll be sleeping soundly.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 7:01 AM

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Tom is toast at Indy
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Posted: 3/24/2014 8:31 AM

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Crean probably would probably take back his job here in a heart beat now.  He's not for long there.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 9:01 AM

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Have to agree with the above. Howland was dumped with a lot more success. These schools with the entitled fan bases, it's always what have you done for me lately.

That's the way it is today, especially corporate America, which turns on the latest quarter earnings instead of long-term R & D.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 10:32 AM

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IU should be better next year without Vonleh.  IU's problem this year was shooting.  Teams played with 4 players in the lane and forced jumpers.  We were unable to stretch the floor and create lanes.  We added two really good shooters in Blackmon (McDonald's AA from Indiana) and Johnson.  When Vonleh was injured, we played pretty well with a 6'7" center.  We won the two games.  

We are a fickle fanbase.  He will have a year or two to get things back on track.  However, the problem this year was shooting.  Plain and simple.  We had one shooter in Ferrell while the remaining team shot 30% from 3....before our 4-1 stretch....the rest of the team was shooting 28% from 3...Blackmon is a phenomenal shooter and should help a lot.  He should start at the 2.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 10:46 AM

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BrownsburgIN wrote: IU should be better next year without Vonleh.  IU's problem this year was shooting.  Teams played with 4 players in the lane and forced jumpers.  We were unable to stretch the floor and create lanes.  We added two really good shooters in Blackmon (McDonald's AA from Indiana) and Johnson.  When Vonleh was injured, we played pretty well with a 6'7" center.  We won the two games.  

We are a fickle fanbase.  He will have a year or two to get things back on track.  However, the problem this year was shooting.  Plain and simple.  We had one shooter in Ferrell while the remaining team shot 30% from 3....before our 4-1 stretch....the rest of the team was shooting 28% from 3...Blackmon is a phenomenal shooter and should help a lot.  He should start at the 2.
Should start making your coaching list now.....

Crean is an average game coach with great talent.....With less than that.....you guys will be lucky to go 500 in the Big 10 next year....
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Posted: 3/24/2014 10:48 AM

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BrownsburgIN wrote:We are a fickle fanbase.  
we are all fickle fan bases...and sounds like IU and MU are looking for shooting in all the round places...
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Posted: 3/24/2014 11:53 AM

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Not so fast, another guy leaving Indiana

RT @JeffRabjohns: Indiana sophomore Austin Etherington plans to transfer.

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Posted: 3/24/2014 12:25 PM

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There will probably be one or two more.  Etherington has been rumored since about Nov/Dec.  So, it isn't anything we didn't expect.  IU has a lot of wings though.  Blackmon has been guaranteed the starting SG spot. You have Stan Robinson and Troy Williams who played pretty well towards the end.  Those two would benefit from having another shooter on the floor. 

Hollowell will be next.  He is meeting with Crean this week, and will ask about his PT going forward which will most likely lead to his transfer.  He started the season as a starter and was suspended for drugs.  He had some issues with decision making and shooting.  He ended the season coming off the bench with limited PT.  Like I said, Blackmon will get inserted into the starting lineup because we need shooting...you have Williams and Robinson....most likely a reserve player unless he improves a lot.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 3:01 PM

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IU will not be better next year still no coach and no point guard.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 3:09 PM

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Yogi Ferrell says hello.  He scored a lot last year because he had to. No shooters.  He shot around 45% of our 3s and still hit 40% of them.  Hard to get assists when players miss open jumpers.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 3:14 PM

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What is going on there today...  Will they be able to field a team next year?
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Posted: 3/24/2014 3:23 PM

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MUFLA wrote: What is going on there today...  Will they be able to field a team next year?
Yes, we had the oversign anyway before Fischer transferred.  We expected Etherington and Hollowell.  Marlin was a walk-on.  Cunningham (top 100 kid) from Chicago will hopefully fill one open spot.  Anthony Lee (5th year Temple transfer) is looking like a possibility as well.  Etherington will probably end up at Indiana State or Butler.  Hollowell will end up probably where the Purdue kid  (Ronnie Johnson) ends up as they are cousins.  There have been rumors about that for awhile.

We will still have 11-13 kids by the end of it.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 3:55 PM

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We will be able to field 12 bodies that will compete with Rutgers and Penn State for 12th in the BIG 14.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 4:13 PM

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Etherington and Hollowell only averaged 7 ppg and Hollowell only averaged 2.8 ppg during the Big Ten compared to his season average of 5.7.....

You still have

Yogi who was a 4 or 5 star on most sites...
Blackmon who was a 4 or 5 star on most sites
Johnson who was a 4 star
Williams who was a 4 star
Robinson who was a 4 star
Perea who was a 4 star
Devin Davis who was a 3 star
Hartman who was a 3 star
Hoetzel who was a 3 star

Then you have IU is looking like they will get 4 star Cunningham.....

Then you have Anthony Lee where IU has the most potential for PT.

Then you have a couple other bigs that IU is looking at...

IU has a lot of talent at the 1-4 spots...the hole is the 5 which Crean can hide.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 4:14 PM

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BrownsburgIN wrote: Etherington and Hollowell only averaged 7 ppg and Hollowell only averaged 2.8 ppg during the Big Ten compared to his season average of 5.7.....

You still have

Yogi who was a 4 or 5 star on most sites...
Blackmon who was a 4 or 5 star on most sites
Johnson who was a 4 star
Williams who was a 4 star
Robinson who was a 4 star
Perea who was a 4 star
Devin Davis who was a 3 star
Hartman who was a 3 star
Hoetzel who was a 3 star

Then you have IU is looking like they will get 4 star Cunningham.....

Then you have Anthony Lee where IU has the most potential for PT.

Then you have a couple other bigs that IU is looking at...

IU has a lot of talent at the 1-4 spots...the hole is the 5 which Crean can hide.
You still have Crean coaching them, that's the problem.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 4:37 PM

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Some sour grapes....
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Posted: 3/24/2014 4:47 PM

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BrownsburgIN wrote: Some sour grapes....
Sure, but some of us told you so, like me for instance.  Good recruiter.  Good promoter.  Runs a clean program.  As a game coach, he is hit or miss.  Sometimes his offense runs like a Swiss watch.  Sometimes like a Chinese fire drill.  And he needs a revolving door for the transfers.
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Posted: 3/24/2014 5:02 PM

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This year's problem was a recruiting mistake.  How can you not have any shooters?  Mistake on his part.  His offense ran pretty smooth the prior two years as we were a top 5 offense both seasons.  Part of it is system generated and part of it is having kids do what is needed.  One thing is his offense requires a lot of decisions which if you have low IQ players can lead to some really stupid mistakes (Troy Williams at the beginning of the year)....when he had Watford, Hulls, Zeller, and VO...it was a really good offense.  Kids made the right decision...kids knew how to read the defense....
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